He was totally right. This put up actually made my day.

You can not imagine simply how a lot time I had spent for
this information! Thanks!

Thank you so much for taking time out to respond to some of the points I make.

The problem with not paying attention to the jumble of words – which I agree is all we really have, is that we get stuck. We were stuck with these same points in 2009 and never moved passed them. I too want to details which is why I’m pressing up against what we have been given.

I think we are seeing more organizations than in 2009 asking for more but the more traditional/older orgs have been not really pushing back at all. I won’t name names yet but i get the email blasts.

I don’t know if i necessarily call these orgs allies really. While I’m not privy to all the behind the scenes convos like i was back in 2009 – i really worry about what they negotiating down. If orgs are really progressive they will start the negotiating from a igh point. It is a game, no doubt but that doesn’t mean we arrive to game without our full uniforms on.

The line refers to families waiting in the home county but it also refers to backlogs in the immigration court system. No doubt people who are here are staying here if that’s what they want (aqui estamos y no nos vamos) but i think the idea of expecting currently undocumented immigrants 10, 15, 20 years before they can work here legally is a real problem. i worry about what I see as an increasing promotion of a limbo status.

Glad to have you as a reader. I will be checking out your site as well.

M.

1)”What’s interesting about all the congratulatory messages that ask people to support immigration reform, is that they lack an actual analysis of what is in the principles. Since the principles include “a pathway to citizenship”, it’s assumed to be good enough.”

Everything is in the abstract right now. These “principles” that are parroted everywhere are such pie-in-the-sky jumbles of words that I’m not ready to begin to tear them apart yet. It’s like playing with cotton candy. Waiting on something more.

2) “Claiming that the work begins now, denies the role that some of these very same “pro-migrant” orgs have played in watering down the demands of comprehensive immigration reform. It has now become acceptable to become reactive instead of proactive. Instead of telling the administration and Congress what we want, we are expected to celebrate lawmakers rehashing old policies and basically doing their job – working together. ”

I have seen orgs over-aiming, asking for more, coming to the line with demands plus more in hand, plainly. Not watering down. Perhaps this could be a future post on your part? And the celebration- ah, it’s politics. We’ve got to continually hold up our allies. This is the way things work– the key word- WORK. As in TOWARD the goal. I guess I’m coming from a more “play the game” POV.

3) Re “get to the back of the line”- let’s admit it. The line (per se, the one they are talking about) starts in the home country. Immigrants here in the US will never truly go all the way to the back of the line, no matter how much lip service Rubio, Obama, et al. give it. They are here in their communities.

First time I’ve read you. SUPER interested and definitely looking forward to more.

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