10:12 am By Maegan La Mala · El Salvador|honduras|Latin America|mexico|Violence|Women
7 Jan 2011The mainstream media, the United States government, and even some commenters here want to paint Mexico as the biggest danger to the United States since hmmm communism/the Russians/ Cubans…ay you get the point. Some stats tell a different story though.
The country currently with the highest murder rate is Honduras, followed closely by El Salvador.
There is no analysis as to why, although many will point to the drug war and gangs which really are crimes based in poverty. Much of the poverty in Latin America can be linked to inequity which can be linked in part to United States intervention ( a la NAFTA and more direct military interventions).
What I have not seen is much analysis about how many of these deaths are that of mujeres and under what circumstances. In El Salvador, 562 women were killed. We do know that in Honduras, for example, post-coup (because we can call it a coup now) there has been an increase in violence against women.
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19 Responses to Mexico is Not the Most Dangerous Latin American Country
Karari Kue
January 7th, 2011 at 10:56 am
In Honduras, there has also been a surge in violence against LGBT people, particularly trans women.
It seems anyone that does not fit in with the cisheteronormative patriarchal rigidity that is the military is vulnerable.
Maegan La Mala
January 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Yes, and actually we talked about that. In my head when I write women, I am including transwomen (because well they are women) pero I need to be more transparent about that.
Maegan La Mala
January 7th, 2011 at 11:08 am
And …sorry I am hitting submit faster than my head is completing its thoughts, in Honduras, this has especially been so because post-coup the government especially attacked LGBT orgs who were actively fighting/protesting
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Bryan J.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Poverty is of course a significant factor, but it does not account for differences in violence between, say, Venezuela and nations such as Peru, Bolivia, and Colombia.
In my study of the reasoning behind violence in Venezuela, the factors are many, including heightened distrust among the people in law enforcement.
Bryan J.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
I’ve a vague idea of why Mexico’s stastistics are lower than than the other nations: Mexico is much bigger, with a significant chunk of the population centered around Distrito Federal, where drug violence is less pronounced. Also, the deaths related to the drug violence seems to be concentrated for the most part to certain geographical regions.
Lastly, you are right–media probably picks up on Mexico more because it is closer and thus more likely to sell news stories than nations further away.
Maegan La Mala
January 7th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
But there is heightened distrust of law enforcement in Mexico, and other nations in Latin America as well.
Bryan J.
January 7th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
More specifically, the social experiment implented by the Chavez government has wreaked havoc on thesecurity of the system:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39076195/Violencia-ciudadania-y-miedo-en-Caracas-Roberto-Briceno
For example, when the Chavez administration took power in 1999, there were 25 homicides per 100,000. Since then, the rate has steadily increased, reaching the current number 67.8 per 100k
Anecdotally, a couple years back in Caracas and Maracaibo, I had a couple of conversations with locals, who claimed that the security situation was so bad because the government didn’t invest anything into the system.
Mexfiles
January 7th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
The data was from a Salvadorian paper, so of course, it was Salvador and Honduras that were the main focus. My focus was Mexico, so really didn’t get into the other nations in the Americas. Brazil is also much higher than Mexico (about 40 per 100,000) while Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia have relatively low rates (5 -8 per 100,000).
Bryan J is right that the murder rate is much, much higher close to the United States border. Obviously, the present administration’s militarized “war on drugs” has a lot to do with that, as well as easy access to firearms.
I think an overlooked cause is the demographics of the borderlands (more young, unattached adults … which have significantly higher murder rates) and the economic collapse of maquilladoras. I compare Juarez to Detroit (and maybe Deadwood, ca. 1888): a factory town in decline combined with a boom town that attracts a lot of footloose younger adults with no real ties to the community.
Chicano future tense
January 7th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Bryan J.
“Poverty is of course a significant factor, but it does not account for differences in violence between, say, Venezuela and nations such as Peru, Bolivia, and Colombia.”
No,Poverty is not just a “significant” factor.
It is overwhelmingly -THE FACTOR.
National differences between Mexican,Venezuelan,Puerto Rican,Bolivian people are largely ludicrous,trivial and irrelevant and more often that not lead to racist interpretations that obscure and hide their principal human similarities… which is that they are all nations and peoples who have suffered tremendously the dangerous and destructive effects of US Imperialism.
Poor and exploited people are the same no matter if they are in Latin America,Africa or Asia.
The analysis of “dangerous” situations in Latin America is not to be found in american bourgeois academic “anthropology” or’”sociology” but rather in a socialist analysis and solution-that is to to change the conditions of poverty by socialist revolution and smashing American imperialism in Latin America.
Statistics and numbers are good indicators and help us follow the destructive effects of US imperialism -it’s NAFTA’s and other dangerous and exploitative policies.But they are not the root explanations for main causes.They are just that ..indicators and they can be useful if they are honest and legitimate and not cooked or spun by the forces and appendages of american imperialism.
Deciphering the particular causes of Latin American national social characteristics of violence and “danger” is placing too much emphasis on american bourgeois academics which is built on a foundation of racist paternalism.these are secondary and minor issues in the understanding of poverty and underdevelopment(over exploitation).
They intentionally and unintentionally ignore the MAIN causes of poverty,violence and danger-US imperialism.
Latin America has had enough of liberal paternalistic racist US “peace corp” and liberal academics types making their racist “diagnosis” of Latin Americans.
Latin America needs socialist revolution..they need to totally drive out American Imperialism.
Not be submissive patients to racist paternalistic american bourgeois academic “physicians”.
Bryan J.
January 7th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
So, Chicano Future Tense, are you saying that Hugo Chavez is not socialist? Because crime has gone up–strikingly so–since he came into power.
Also, you write: “National differences between Mexican,Venezuelan,Puerto Rican,Bolivian people are largely ludicrous, trivial and irrelevant”
A homicide per capita rate of 67.6 per 100k in Venezuela compared to 5-8 per 100k in Ecuador, Bolivia, and Peru IS NOT “trivial or irrelevant”.
I’m at a loss, I must say, by the sheer emptiness of your analysis.
Karen
January 7th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
His analysis wasn’t empty. He’s saying that the root cause of poverty and other problems in Latin America are always ignored in any analysis of Latin America, and that the root cause is American imperialism. Latin America is always described as dysfunctional, or inherently violent, or underdeveloped, etc but the root cause of the misery is rarely discussed.
As for Chavez, whether or not he’s a real socialist ignores the fact that the US controls the region. Chavez, no matter what knd of leader he is, operates under the shadow of US imperialism and the globalized economy.
Maegan La Mala
January 8th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Have to agree with Karen on this one. I mean just look at Chile under Bachelet, a socialist that everyone thought was palatable because of policies that favored neoliberal economic growth. Crime on the other hand became worse as the gap between have and have nots expanded (not to mention the attacks on Native communities there).
Maegan La Mala
January 8th, 2011 at 9:50 am
I didn’t see Chicano Future Tense dismiss the crimes, I read him saying that overall the cause in crime across and through borders in Latin America is the same. What is empty about that? What analysis are you looking for exactly Bryan?
ladymorgue
January 8th, 2011 at 11:09 am
What Bryan J said.
But I do believe a lot of it has to to with the US viewing Mexico as a lesser country filled with brown people. Then you have this mentality reaching young Mexican Americans who grow to hate their heritage. Mexico is also much richer than El Salvador and Honduras. People forget that the gap between poor and rich Americans is about the same as the gap as poor and rich Mexicans!
@Chicano
chavez did the same thing you are ranting about.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/18/AR2009041801009.html
” National differences between Mexican,Venezuelan,Puerto Rican,Bolivian people are largely ludicrous,trivial and irrelevant and more often that not lead to racist interpretations that obscure and hide their principal human similarities”
O.k I agree we are all human,but guess what? Latino is not a race. You are lumping all of us together which is what a lot republicans do.
I want to end U.S imperialism but we need to get to the root and a lot of poverty issues were there BEFORE the US came along, the US just took advantage of it.
Bryan J,
January 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am
That last sentence about the empty analysis was my way of not writing vulgarities because the “socialist revolution” as the only way is a bit of a jump.
Mainly, the root cause of violence being attribtued to U.S. imperialism is a conclusory statement that fails to address surely loads and loads of other factors. We are, after all, speaking of not just crime, but violent crime i.e. murders.
The reality is that there are very significant differences in the most violent of crimes from country to country. U.S. imperialism as the root cause does not account for the gigantic gap in murders per capita between Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuela, and Ecuador, Bolivia, and Peru.
Also, take note that under the super-American friendly Uribe administration, violent crime took a precipitous fall. Say what one will about the broader policy prerogatives of the governments, but by ascribing all of the responsibility for everything wrong in Latin America, specifically violent crime, to U.S. imperialism, is to basically give up on reducing violent crime.
Bryan J,
January 8th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
For example, see the link above- that I posted -not by an American bourgeois academic, but by a Venezuelan.
With a little google work, one could probably find troves of non-American analysis of the many factors that contribute to violent crime differences.
For example, this title Introducción
La nueva violencia urbana de América Latina, may be a place to start:
http://bibliotecavirtual.clacso.org.ar/ar/libros/violencia/intro.pdf
Bryan J,
January 8th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Here is an excerpt from that article
Pudiera tenerse la tentación de deriva r, a partir de esta cruda realidad, la conclusión de que la pobreza es la causa de la violencia. Sin embargo, no existe una
correlación tan clara y abierta entre estas dos situaciones, pues los países más pobres de América Latina, como los casos de Haití, Bolivia o Perú, no aparecen entre aquellos que tienen mayores tasas de homicidios.
Translation:
“One could have the temptation to derive, because of this cruel reality, the conclusion that the poverty is the cause of the violence. However, there is not a clear correlation between these two situations, since the poorest countries of Latin America, like Haiti, Bolivia or Peru, are not those nations that have the highest homicide rates”
Maegan La Mala
January 8th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
ok I will say that I don’t think that imperialism which exacerbates poverty and yes causes it is the only cause of violence but a root cause. Yup, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. What would you say are the root causes then of crime? I will read the link you sent in a bit Bryan but asking what you and Lady Morgue think.
And I agree Lady Morgue that Latino is not a race but rather an multi-ethnic. multi-racial category. As I have said before I use it to describe a group of people that share historical commonalities in terms of geography, language, conquest and survival