Obama should have included DREAM Act as part of the tax package he caved in to the republicans on!

Is the issue passing the Dream Act or reminding everyone that the GOP is racist to ensure that the Democrats still get a “victory” even if this bill fails? I have read a few articles today, including one on NPR, stating that this vote will further solidify the Latino vote for the Democrats. That’s all they really care about. The whole thing is so patronizing.

If they were serious about passing this bill, they would have taken it up the issue earlier, or at least have used it in the negotiaion over extending the Bush tax cuts. Oh wait, Obama didn’t negotiate. He caved in. Never mind.

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These Democratic snakes in the grass disgust me with their clever little games,and as almost always Latinos-in-denial continue to see the world through rose colored glasses..

Of course Harry Reid put off the vote until late December.
You don’t think he knows that Latinos will be really pissed and start asking deeper questions concerning the GOP but also the Democratic party/Obama/DNC unholy trinity -their lies,betrayal and disgusting incompetence.Their too little too late sop of an effort tossed on the floor to Latinos from the splendor of their obscene Royal Banquet tables?

Harry Reid is just a DNC-Obama sock puppet..they order..he jumps..

He was told to table the DREAM act vote until late December..
Isn’t it convenient and coincidental that late December also means Christmas and New Year Holidays??

Most people will be distracted away from politics at that time focusing on the Holidays,family and fiesta..

Hell,with the Christmas spirit Latinos will not be so pissed off because they will most likely be busy singing and whistling Christmas tunes.. “Feliz Navidad,Feliz Navidad…Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo..la la la “..

…decorating the Christmas tree,eating all those tasty Latino goodies we all consume in titanic quantities over the Holidays…..”Oh, life ain’t so bad”..

” Dream Act ..??? …. O yeah..Que Lastima!”

“Feliz Navidad,Feliz Navidad…Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano Nuevo..la la la “….

re: ” Latinos-in-denial continue to see the world through rose colored glasses..”

Why do you say that? What are you suggesting that people do?

I am a Republican but I am 100% in favor the DREAM Act and any other legislation that brings “comprehensive” reform of immigration.
As many other things in politics, the system is broken and irrational.

However I think that at least 60% or 70% of the people are simply ignorant of the issues and respond only to the irrational emotions stirred up by absurd information one hears from “talk show hosts” on radio and cable. What is needed is a an educational campaign on radio, cable and other media to explain the issues.

Raise the funds for a relentless “marketing” campaign to tell most people that what they have been told is false, wrong, and unamerican. It would be also helpful to tell millions of people that their fathers or grandfathers came here “legally” solely because they could. They had to get on a boat and arrive here “legally” from Germany, Italy, Ireland, etc.etc.

Start a campaign, tell people the real story, the facts, the truth and enumerate the many advantages that the “undocumented” – yes the un documented – bring or are capable of bringing to this Nation of Immigrants.

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karen

direct action has been around far longer than the 60′s..in fact direct actions in the USA go back to the early 19th century when workers fought for the 8 hour day,the right to unionization and safer working conditions and benefits.

In terms of direct action,Latinos are no different than any other people-they protest,demonstrate and boycott just like other groups in the past have ..(and if your suggestions were to get support- closing bank accounts and going independent would be considered by the power structure quite radical forms of protest-direct action.)

one look at history shows that direct action in terms of protests and demonstrations,boycotts etc etc.. have many times achieved success.The civil rights movement brought about sweeping changes in our society.The UFW grape boycott of the 60′s brought about a union agreement with the largest grape growers in the nation.

if a lot of people did as you suggest ..closing bank accounts..that would actually be considered by many (especially the banks) a very direct radical action ..

Your idea would have to have popular mass support,it would require at the minimum thousands of people to support your suggested action.It’s a good idea though.I like it.

I also very much like your other idea of Latinos going independent.
I think it’s a great suggestion and once again in order to be effective it would require mass support at the minimum thousands of people.

I am curious to hear what other Latinos think of your ideas.

You have some good ideas keep them coming!

Chicano FT:

How is the direct action you are proposing different from the marches of a few years ago and the current boycott of Arizona? You used the example of the UFW, but what has changed for farmworkers? Not much.

Maegan: Do you think Gutierrez is sincere? He’s from Chicago like Obama.

Maegan

It’s healthy and smart to be wary of leaders…especially politicians

Yep,you’re right Rep. Gutierrez did make empty threats before around the CIR issue.I myself criticized him and the rest of the CHC crew quite strongly on that one .

Politicians are politicians of course but I’m not focusing so much on the politicians themselves as much as I am in pointing out their message,in this case Rep.Gutierrez et al, communicating to Latinos that direct action and protest be called for as a viable response to Democratic party/Obama/DNC abandonment,lies and inaction,GOP hostility..

Urging Latinos to exercise their democratic rights of protest and freedom of speech,to demonstrate,publicly express their disapproval and discontent with the status quo is positive because it mobilizes Latinos to action,raising their political awareness and consciousness of democracy in the process..

So in reference to Rep.Gutierrez speech I am not so much concerned about the messenger as I am the message.

Karen

“How is the direct action you are proposing different from the marches of a few years ago and the current boycott of Arizona? You used the example of the UFW, but what has changed for farmworkers? Not much.”

As to the UFW,the Immigrant Marches of a few years ago, the Arizona boycott etc.etc..
Rome wasn’t built in a day and nobody ever said freedom is easily reached.There have always been and always will be set-backs and defeats in the “struggle” for justice,freedom civil and human rights..People have sacrificed their lives in direct action for these things.
You don’t just snap your fingers and expect instantaneous
success and results.In reality,Life and the World don’t operate that way.The same can be said for political and social Movements.

Furthermore, it’s easy to sit on the sidelines and just criticize direct action protests be they marches,demonstrations,rallies,sit-ins,boycotts, hunger strikes…etc.
Those who sit on the sidelines,who just snipe and complain about direct action are usually people of low integrity lacking the conviction and guts to get out there and unite with other Latinos to demonstrate,protest,march…etc..
In my opinion,those who do nothing but snipe and criticize have no right to complain.

Rep.Gutierrez -
“… The movement will operate autonomously, no longer beholden to wavering Democrats, filibustering Republicans, and—perhaps most tantalizingly—no longer beholden to Barack Obama.”

In my opinion this is a good suggestion for Latinos because it makes them more politically self-reliant,raises their level of political sophistication and awareness to become less dependent on the Democratic party and the GOP.this is a step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

karen’s suggestions of closing bank accounts and registering independent as forms of protest are good ones but they are not mutually exclusive to other forms of protest such as demonstrations and protests, marches, sit-ins etc etc..

These forms of direct action can be very effective and convey powerful symbolic messages to Latinos..(to take a more recent example the DREAM act students staging militant sit-ins, hunger strikes etc etc.) …

There are many forms of protest such as karen’s and of others which should all reinforce each other…
They are not mutually exclusive..