Exposing the the Teabaggers

In many ways I’m still a 12 year old girl and the fact that this teabagger campaign has grown such scary wings makes me laugh and shake my head a little. As the United States moves toward mid-term elections and there is pushing from various directions on issues ranging from health reform to immigration, teabaggers are getting more and more attention. Some of the attention is undeserved, like when they are spreading lies on the role of Latino immigrants in the U.S. Some of the attention is deserved, like when good people are calling them out.


The good peeps over at Cuéntame used some parts of their interview with me a few weeks ago as a preview to a new campaign against the Teabaggers.

Over 600 people gathered for the first ever Tea Party Convention in Nashville, Tennessee on February of 2010. The ‘teabaggers’ reveled as they sat there listening to hateful speech after hateful speech by Tom Tancredo and Sarah Palin among others. The rhetoric was display of incoherent intolerance and racism:

* “Immigrants are taking over the United States, they must be sent to where they came from”
* “This is our nation and we should take it back”
* “Make English America’s official language”
* “Congress loves Illegals”

It is no coincidence that these hate rallies are getting more media coverage than the immigration rallies of 2006, which drew millions to the streets to protest a proposed federal crackdown on illegal immigration.

A new series by the project Cuéntame is aimed at exposing “teabaggers’” true colors. It features the racist speeches, violent words, and actions, so that we can see for ourselves weather the Tea Party truly represents a legitimate movement or if is just another example of the intolerance and discrimination Latinos face in today’s society. The project also prompts the community to organize and to unite in an effort to fight back.

PS : As soon as this video was posted last week, VivirLatino has come under more scrutiny from the teabaggers, so just keep you eyes and ears open.

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42 comments on “Exposing the the Teabaggers
  1. BTW, remember when I said I was planning a counter protest to the tea baggers on Long Island? I’ve got two marines, one who has undocumented parents. Hopefully we can do it soon without further postponement.

  2. Is there a non obvious reason why no one thinks the oath keepers/teabaggers, minute men, crazies who crash planes into IRS buildings, McVeighs, college campus shooters, sherriffs that hire white supremacists to train their deputies and other related looney toons with freaky political philosophies aren’t considered terrorists? Is it that when youre white you can kill innocent civilians and sspread hate, but it will always just be an “isolated event”? If Iranian or Palestinian or Mexican or Black people did half the stuff these fruitcakes do, we’d be at Guantanamo (or wherever they moved that circus), being waterboarded as I speak. Not that I wish that on anyone, but the double standard is so obvious it makes me nervous.

  3. Are we to consider the arrest of anyone doing anything illegal hateful and racist now?

    From what I have read and heard the Tea Party is all for Legal Immigration, it is what made the US what it is today.

    Which violent actions by Tea Partiers are you talking about? The only violent acts and arrests I have heard of have been by Union members and one guy that bit off a Tea Partiers finger. Both of these persons were opposed to the Tea Party movement.

    I have no doubt that there are racists involved with the movement, there are racists involved in everything we do, in our day to day lives.

    There are even those that hate white people.

    Here’s a good video to watch about the Texas Tea Party.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4

    There are a couple black members and latino members in the video.

    Anyway, don’t be fooled by the main stream media, they are using minority groups as tools to further their agenda.

    Search out the facts and don’t be too quick to rush to judgement

    cheers

  4. Lies, and double lies. More people are waking up to the fact that the leftist hate-mongers have nothing to offer but fear fashioned in their fevered little brains.

    oh, and only a felcher uses such a playground sexual slur. grow up already.

  5. yeah, i heard about the texas tea baggers–let’s talk to keith olberman about how “good” they all are ok?

  6. la Macha, I guess one thing you have to remember is that there are extremists and racists in any organization, take La Raza for example.

    But they still have their right to free speech. The danger of taking a movement like the Tea Party and demonizing them is that your organization might be the next that they crack down on.

  7. @ Milo
    Exposing the Tea Party is not impinging upon their freedom of speech. It’s just exercising one’s own freedom of speech to counter what is considered hateful.

    As to the Tea Partier’s not being violent, I disagree–I confronted some personally, with my own protesting sign, and I was threatened with violence. Moreover, I did not ever show violent signs myself.

    But you do have a point–violence and radicalism is not exclusive to the tea partiers. Yet, combining the tea party’s violence with their anti-immigrant message, which has in fact manifested itself into hate crimes against Latinos. (yes, it is not just anti-illegal immigration–if you looked for facts, you would see that most organizations on the tea party side advocate for a cirtual halt to all legal immigration)

  8. Bryan, here are a couple questions for you.

    Is the enforcement of immigration laws on the Northern Border with Canada, racist?

    Could the worry about immigration be for economic reasons?

    I trust this post won’t disappear like the last one. You are interested in open and honest debate are you not?

    cheers

  9. Milo, compare the enforcement of the northern border (of which I live on–very close to the busiest crossing area on the entire border) to the southern border. It is racist in that it targets Arabs/muslims well outside of the stretches of the border area (Dearborn) and it’s racist in that there is NOBODY else who is targeted. We don’t get thousands of white folks getting pulled over for car and body cavity searches. But we all know that the INS vans and trucks will be making their rounds for no damn reason (what reason would there be to have an INS truck some 100 miles outside of the border region?).

    And your post won’t disappear as long as YOU are open and honest and keep your fucking racist bullshit language in check. cheers backatcha.

  10. “Fucking racist bullshit language” haha.

    @Milo,

    I don’t recall this post or any of the comments talking about the Canadian border. It’s mostly a non-issue when it comes to immigration because it is not where most immigrants come from, which is Latin America, which happens to be south of the U.S. So it’s irrelevant.

    You probably were referring to the labeling of the tea-party as racist, and then tried to tie in the red herring of Canada compared to Mexico. The Tea Party people are not Border Patrol. I can say with great confidence that there are deeply racist sentiments within the Tea Party. Of course, motivations for people to act are generally not tied to one, concrete source. As racism is part of it, there are other concerns as well(i.e. economic, etc). On principle, economic concerns with increase in immigration is not objectionable. However, the racism element taints everything else, so much that many in the tea party will cite to one negative economic indicator of immigration BECAUSE of the preconceived notion that the Immigrants(mostly Latinos) are bad, cannot stay here, etc. It’s a volatile concoction which feeds off of strong emotional foundations caused by difference in culture, language, and color of skin. It then cherry picks facts here and there to provide a guise to “reasonable” immigration policies which are, if looked at objectively, profoundly unreasonable.

    @ La Macha.

    As with any enforcement agents, the border patrol has some racist elements. But overall, I would guess that the heavier enforcement on the southern border has more to do with the exponentially larger volume of immigrants crossing.

    Also, interesting you should mention the 100 mile issue. FYI(you may know already), there is a law called “expedited removal”, which states that if an undocumented individual is apprehended within 100 miles from the border, they can be deported without any due process, unless they express to an ICE agent that they fear return to their home for purposes of Asylum.

  11. milo–”illegal immigrants’ is a slur on this site. And for the record, I thought when I was responding to you, I was responding to a different poster who had said some incredibly ugly shit. So I’m sorry I came on so strong.

    anyway–I’m not really sure why, if you are canadian, you have any interest in this particular battle–it seems odd to me as it is such an intense fight over “american identity” I wonder why anybody who is not even living in the US would care.

    Having said that–INS is responsible for the protection and defense *of the borders*–working without documents in the US is not an assault on national borders–it is a crime of bureaucracy. Crossing the border without papers is a crime that needs to be caught while in progress–the people who the INS hunts down in areas outside the border are 99.9% of the time arrested for “social security fraud” or “working without proper documentation” or “fake ID” or something along those lines. And I’m not really sure how working with a fake ID is a national security threat.

  12. @ Milo

    Are you Canadian? If so, maybe you can be forgiven. Nonetheless, it’s hard to take someone seriously who speaks of immigration issues without knowing that the INS does not exist anymore. It’s ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

  13. bryan–i disagree that the heavier enforcement of the southern border has much to do with exponentially larger volume of immigrants crossing–I agree that there is some of that in action–but I also see what happens on the northern border–I see how it is largely arabs who are pulled over and searched and how there is almost zero cases of Irish, English, etc immigrants being subjected to immigration violation trials–whereas Arabs and muslims are not only subjected to the constant trails, but are inevitably deemed a flight risk and imprisoned without bail during the entire trial.

    In other words, if there were populations of Arabs or Mexicans all along the Northern border, that border would look just like the US Mexican border does. But as it is, there’s a bunch of Uppers and they’re all Scandinavians, Polish, etc, so–we get what we have now.

  14. ha! thanks for making me look like an ass, bryan. (i *meant* ICE–got carried away with the passionate moment!!!)

  15. @ Bryan, INS was an acronym la Macha used. I just followed his lead.

    and I find it hard to take someone seriously on their feelings towards hate speech, when they use a homophobic slur to describe another group. “Teabaggers”

  16. Milo–I am a queer woman, and from what I know (although as i have proven throughout this thread it is entirely possible that I know nothing or get too damn pissed off at shit to speak with accuracy), tea bagging is an act usually preformed by gay men, but also done by straight men as well–and it’s an *act* rather than a slur. (i.e. nobody calls a gay man a tea bagger–they call him fag, etc). It was actually the tea baggers (i.e. libertarian conservatives) who got the termed switched around to refer to a person or a group of people rather than an act.

  17. @La Macha

    I thought of that just as I wrote it. When wrote that comment, it appeared that Milo mentioned it first. So, apologies to you and Milo for that.

    Teabagging could be a heterosexual activity as well–there is not much evidence that it is used in uttering slurs against Homosexuals. actually, if you think about it, it is quite similar and sometimes part of what is colloquially referred to as “blowjob”. So would you prefer they be called the blowjobbers, to erase this insidious homosexual slur?

    @La Macha.

    Yeah, no doubt they target arabs/muslims. However, I would guess that ICE would be more vigilant in scrutinizing Arabs/Muslims than Latinos because of the rationale behind the policy–terrorism v. straightforward restriction. But who really knows–there is so much that is kept under wraps.

  18. @Milo. I’m almost at a loss for words here.

    But here’s a question for you so we can clarify what you think of as racism. Why do you think that when Latinos or Black people, or “Arabs”, assemble into radical organizations they are considered and treated and even charged as terrorists (yes Bryan, tehre’s specific examples), but when white dudes crash planes into IRS buildings, or profess to “take back their country” and send the illegals back, or become sherriff of Phoenix and hire publicly stated white supremacists to train their deputies, or bomb buildings, or shoot up college campuses, or drag blck men tied to a truck for miles, etc…why is this not called terrorism? doesn’t their hate and violence target innocent American civilians? And don’t their actions rest on shady hateful philosophies?
    If I were to start a”Raza” organization and profess to “take back my land” or crash anything into a building, etc, I would be charged as a terrorist. Thanks Patriot Act!

    Now, ENLIGHTEN ME

  19. If I were to start a”Raza” organization and profess to “take back my land” or crash anything into a building, etc, I would be charged as a terrorist. Thanks Patriot Act!

    *exactly*

  20. I would consider Stack a Terrorist. I would also consider the 2 illegal immigrants that were just arrested for taking out railway spikes terrorists.

    Go back in my original posts. I clearly stated that there are fringe elements to any organization like the Tea Party, or Raza. There are also racist elements to both. But it is not the majority.

    racism:the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

    Those that believe in reducing immigration for economic reasons, are not racist. All caucasians that did not vote for obama are not racist.

    the racist label has been bastardized and used as a tool to demonize others by some.

    pinning the false label of “racist” on an individual in my opinion is also a form of hate speech. Ask your self a question, do you hate racists? I do, so I’ve very careful to not label someone a racist unless I know for damn sure that he/she is.

    As I mentioned to Bryan, most of the people on this site and most of those involved in the Tea Party movement are against government corruption and wasteful spending. Both also want some accountability and transparency from their reps in Government.

    Concentrating on the positive change/agenda will automatically expose the fringe elements.

    The Tea Party has been infiltrated by different fringe elements, that see an opportunity to push their agenda through the momentum that the movement has gained.

  21. ah, but see milo–you define racism completely illogically. who the hell cares if some individual thinks s/he is better than others? I think i”m better than a man–I KNOW I’m better than a man–I know all women are better than men–but so the hell what?

    Racism is Power. Plain and simple. If a bunch of tea baggers get together and beat the shit out of a mexican, they will get off all together or with very minimal sentences. That has been proven over and over again through the multitudes of court cases that VL has covered throughout the years. If it’s not tea baggers, it’s white supremacists, if it’s not white supremacists, it’s “white kids who were messing around.”

    If black nationalists, brown nationalists, Arab nationalists–or even radical feminists got together and beat the shit out of a white person–you’d get the patriot act. You’d get increased community surveillance. You’d get life imprisonment. YOu’d get the elimination of legal rights. You’d get calls for torture and permanent incarceration with no chance of a trail.

    You’d get what we have today, in short. Racism is power. All those brown nationalists you and others are so scared of–they don’t have the power to incarcerate you and your partner indefinitely without a trail–as much as you think that they may like to.

    Once the Tea Party no longer has that power or is willing to share that power with those who it wants to see destroyed–then I will be more than willing to sit down and negotiate with them.

  22. @Milo- Ah. That’s the root of our disagreement. Racism is not defined as just “one group hating another or comsidering themselves superior”. Hate alone is not racist. Hate becomes racism when one group acutally has the structural power to negatively influence another group’s quality of life.
    For instance, I personally don’t care what Joe Arpaio or other white people think about me. if Joe was just your average looney toon preaching on the street, I would obviously flip him off and move on. But because he has the power to use tax money to hire white supremacists to train his 900 deputies and therefore unduly terrorize members of another group, that makes it racism.
    Another example, if I were to say I don’t like Black people (which I do), but I also was head of the housing aithority and my agency unduly denied housing to Black families that were technically just as deserving as others, I would be advancing a racist agenda.
    So you see there’s a difference between being a asshole bigot and being racist. Historically, Latinos haven’t had enough access to positions of power to affect the lives of white people at large. And back to the original point, you personally may consider Stack, Arpaio, and the rest of the fruitcakes terrorists, but to the criminal justice system their actions are “isolated events”, or in the case of Arpaio, he’s still allowed to operate for gods sake, even though it’s a fact that he’s unduly terrorizing Latinos (immigrant or not).

  23. I posted a response to Milo but it doesn’t show up here, jus on the recent comments thing. what gives

  24. Some of my posts are not showing up either, and some were deleted earlier.

    I was accused of using a racist slur (I mistakenly said “illegal immigrant), the posts were deleted, and then I received an apology for being mistaken for another poster.

    It’s hard to have any type of meaningful conversation, if those that don’t agree with your opinions are using their power to censor your posts.

  25. Hola All, we are getting slammed with comments today. This site is not funded and we all have “regular” jobs. Some of us are also parents. Comments that are offensive are deleted but there are also a ton that are in the spam folder that I going to get out now.

    Thanks
    Mala

  26. Maegan, while I appreciate the time that you put into this site, I would also have to say that some of the offensive comments were never removed when the target was a non regular.

    I showed up today to learn, share and have discussions, was called a racist, a “tea bagger” etc.

    First off I live in Canada, not a Tea Partier or a racist.

    Just a suggestion, but your group might find that others are more accepting of the issues that are raised on this site, if a new poster is not automatically assumed to be what they are not.

    cheers

  27. There actually weren’t a whole lot of regulars involved in this discussion.
    I have to go back and look at all the comment threads but I will say this that using certain words and raising certain defenses will get comments deleted.

  28. Milo–I am going to address this because your comments are completely inaccurate. Every Single Comment of yours was posted, with the exception of one. I never called you racist, nor did anybody else. I specifically called the language you used racist–and then once I realized I was being too forceful I apologized. You were not called a tea bagger–and you have no idea what is going on in moderation. And the first comment you left was that we should learn to be more accepting of tea baggers–if you are from canada and live in canada, then you really have no idea what any person in the US is dealing with when it comes to hostility, intimidation or even violence as directed at them by the far right.

    Now–I’m going to bed. Have a nice night to everybody.

  29. la Macha, once again you make assumptions that you do not know anything about.

    I live in Canada, my sister lives in Texas, and is married to a Hispanic.

  30. Milo–did I say “you are from…?” or did I say *if* you are from, *then*?

    This conversation is over.
    Any discussion from here on that does not address the post in question will be deleted.
    Thanks.

  31. Marcus [Lloyd Marcus], a black conservative who is now involved in the growing tea party movement, attributes the problems of his childhood neighborhood, his extended family and the black community in general to a “cradle-to-grave government dependency” that in the case of his cousins enabled an idle life of crime and drug abuse.

    To Marcus, President Obama’s policies perpetuate that dependency. That’s why, he says, it baffles him and other black conservatives when the tea party movement is dismissed as somehow anti-black, as a rowdy bunch of ignorant, white protesters who have it in for the nation’s first black president.

    Marcus is one of a number of black conservatives who have joined up with, and helped lead, the conservative tea party movement since its inception. Though the movement has attracted criticism for its supposed lack of diversity—MSNBC host Chris Matthews recently called the groups “monochromatic” and “all white”—those minority activists who are involved say the movement has little to do with race, and that it is attracting a more diverse crowd every day.

    But in the tea party movement they found a group that not only reflected their views but provided a platform.

    Charles Lollar, a Maryland-based tea party supporter who is black, said there’s no validity to the racism charges.

    “I’ve seen black faces in the crowd. I’ve seen Latino faces in the crowd. . . . It’s not a movement of color. It’s not a movement of party. It’s a movement of principle. It’s a movement of America,” Lollar said.

  32. @Maegan La Mala, no I am not a member of the Tea Party, that is a quote from Lloyd Marcus.

    I am a Canadian Citizen, living in Canada.

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  34. It’s bad enough that the immigrants rights movement faces opposition ..some hostile..some not so..from varied groups such as the tea party,the minutemen,neo-nazi and other white supremacist organizations…
    But what is even more troublesome is that liberal politicians,Latino leadership in government as well as movement groups are not connecting with their own Latino brothers and sisters..and that’s a huge problem we face..witness recent elections of anti-immigrant conservatives and the passing of statewide ballot initiatives that have received significant support from Latinos…
    the movement is obviously not reaching Latino citizens..
    I am of the opinion that Latinos are tired of liberal hypocrisy and fuzzy messages that politically serve only to stall for time,pass the buck and avoid dealing with the “real deal” here..
    Latinos need to be told the truth no matter how frightening and foreboding it may be..I am a radical and my take on things are radical..the word “radical” derives from the word “roots”..and I believe in going to the root of things and that such an analysis is the correct one..it is my view that the people deserve to be told the truth no matter how bitter and difficult it may be..

  35. @ Milo- So is there nothing Canadian in nature going on? why so much interets in our circus?

  36. @Sabina,

    I know the question was not directed at me, but just think of our many interests as Americans in events in foreign lands. That’s what the New York Times is, basically.

  37. Don’t underestimate the Tea Party. I know more Democrats than Republicans that have joined this movement.

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