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Love the title - What is So Scary About the Undocumented Going to College? The answer is simple - THEY ARE ILLEGAL. If they are not citizens they should not be taking seats from American students. Its absurd to say "scary" about kids going to college. The scary part is the millions of illegals in this county. Get legal then they wouldn't need to cry and complain.

Illegal Aliens are hurting the image of good legal immigrants
every day and Hispanics are in blind denial if they feel they have to support their race no matter what over U.S. Law!
And that is why Americans are rightfully outraged at what most call an invasion.

Taking seats from American students? Are you insane?

So now so-called illegals (or those suspected to bed) are put in detention camps, can't work, can't go to school or university, are banned from certain districts, publicly disparaged by government & media
I know, how about a number/star on their arm to identify them.....sound familiar?

These attitudes are what's scary & they make me embarassed to have been born in the USA.

It's the special treatment they receive over citizens that makes people mad. If they pay like any other foreign citizen, they can go to college just like those students. No problem there. Undocumented?? That is a term used to cover up their ILLEGAL status in this country and it is used for the millions that have NO intention on going to college also. Tax payers fund the schools and should get the same benefit as an ILLEGAL if they get in state tuition.

What is so scary to people to some of the Minute Man mentally Gingos is that with an education the so called "illegals" (undocumented) will be educated and truly move up the ranks and run this country one day or can I say reclaim what was taken from us in the first place. Just a little reminder to my brother the "A REAL AMERICAN" todos estamos aqui y todos somos “illegales” nada mas los nativos americanos tienen el derecho.

You need a history lesson if you think the US is or was once part of Mexico. Mexico as a country wasn't formed until 1824 and Texas won a war against you. The US paid for much of the southwest. Wasn't Mexico part of Spain in the early 1800's and then part of France after that? If so, then Mexico is not Mexico in your way of thinking, it's French. Viva Maximilian! Alaska is really part of Russia also. If you sell something then it is still yours in your way of thinking. I am all for people moving up the ranks but not for making me pay for it at the expense of my own children. Just because a person walks across a border doesn't give them citizenship. Could I do what ILLEGALS do here in Mexico? Could I go to Mexico and have my children be taught in schools at the government's expense? I think we know the answer. Mexico does NOT take care of it's own so they turn a blind eye to the exodus El Norte. The get the US taxpayer to take care of their people while keeping taxes low on the rich in Mexico.

The point is that many universities don’t have room for even the best of the best of Americans.

DREAM act activists don’t point out that colleges will not be getting any larger and the limited number of seats will mean that every opportunity “for the DREAM” that is handed to an illegal Mexican, or Honduran or Chinese illegal immigrant is also one more American student being told he is not accepted because there is no room for him.

College opportunities are not a bottomless pit that is endless and vast, this is yet another resource American’s will be forced to share with criminal aliens.

Any person would hate to deny opportunities to any child of ability, as I would too, but it is the responsibility of the US government to put Americans ahead of citizens of other countries. Not one American should be denied a single opportunity when it is handed away to foreigners in our own universities. Opportunities that legal foreign students with legal student visas do not receive.

At what point did our government put Americans and legal immigrants second?

Those claiming they don’t want to penalize the children of illegal aliens by creating a special status approach exclusively for them with specific tuition benefits such as in-state tuition is ludicrous. In point of fact, the children of illegal aliens are, themselves, illegal aliens. Additionally, one must consider the rampant issue of immigration benefit fraud that has been amply documented in one GAO report after another and one OIG report after another. We should also realize that if our nation was stupid enough to create such a lucrative benefit for such "children" that the fraud rates would be astronomical!

Finally while these illegal aliens are the children of illegal aliens they are not minors! We are talking about adult illegal aliens who would be provided with the opportunity to remain in the United States and file applications for their family members while being provided with a level of financial assistance our nation does not provide to United States citizen college students! This is the equivalent of my providing a steak dinner with all the trimmings to my neighbors kids each night for many years while feeding my own kids tuna fish and macaroni! If I did this as a parent you would question my sanity and you would be correct – yet bureaucrats and politicians who favor this seemingly well-intentioned measure would be stabbing our own kids in the back while opening yet another Pandora's Box that would invite massive fraud!

It's a simple fact. If you are in the country illegally then you are in the state illegally. Your age upon your illegal entry nor your age now doesn't matter. If you are an illegal alien then you are an illegal resident and therefore not a resident at all. You should receive no government services. None. Period.

The fact is that things like in-state tuition are just stepping stones to more things in the future. Just as giving a "free" primary and secondary education to all illegal alien kids was a stepping stone to them now demanding in-state college tuition, even at the detriment of Americans and legal residents who will lose their seat in the class in order to placate breakers of our laws.

The reality is that illegal aliens should receive no benefits, including admittance to college. Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada.

Why should we allow an illegal alien who is illegally in our country and who cannot legally hold a job be further trained for employment by our universities?

It is asinine and moronic that illegal aliens are allowed into colleges at all. I would argue that it is in violation of the 'aiding and abetting' statute in the 1986 IRCA.

Even if illegal aliens were to pay out of state tuition, it would not cover the entire cost of their education because of capital costs, often conveniently left out (or purposely lessened) in the total costs calculations. Therefore, taxpayer subsidization of illegal aliens would occur. Also, why would any legislator allow an illegal alien to take a seat in college from a deserving American citizen or legal immigrant?

Seats in colleges are a limited and highly coveted resource, why the hell would you put an illegal alien into one?
Also, why should we be in the business of educating and training a group of people who are illegally here and cannot legally be employed?

But these arguments deny the very real fact that undocumented people (acts are illegal, actions are illegal, people cannot be illegal) are employed and are putting money into the U.S. economy. There is no free ride for anyone, especially the undocumented.

Most of the undocumented(ILLEGALS) do not and will not go to college. The ones that want to should go to home country and attend college there and then apply for entry to a US college.
They have gotten an education thru high school that we as US citizens could not get in their country but they expect/demand it from taxpayers. Tell all the people in prison that they are not illegal. They are taking more money out of economy than they put in. They drive down the hourly wage and take social services that should go to citizens. Exactly what this topic is about.

To Julia - the illegals you speak of are put in detention camps, can't work, can't go to university, banned from certain districts, publicly disparaged by government & media all because they are ILLEGAL. They obviously have no respect for our country and our laws so they deserve no respect in return. They think they can do whatever they wish with no consequences and expect America to bend over backwards for them. BS ! If they are detained, there is a very good reason for that - they do not belong here. Americans have great respect for LEGAL immigrants who play by the rules and obey the laws and processes to become a citizen. Those who think they are above the law deserve nothing but scorn and a deportation order.

If you are truly embarrassed, be my guest and go to any of these other countries that everyone is trying to leave. If the illegals can rant and rally, why don't they go back to their own country and demand change there instead of breaking into our country unlawfully and trying to work the system to benefit themselves, at the expense of legal Americans.

Erika - the English portion of your statement "reclaim what was taken from us in the first place" is another example of why America has disdain towards the Mexicans. Sounds like you belong to racist La Raza. This shows they have no desire to be Americans. Hispanics are now being viewed as the blacks were in the 1950's and 60's.

Maegan you are so correct no one gets a freeride, even if they wanted to it's impossible.

Howdy Folks I don't know if I have been banned or not although I make every effort not to post anything racial in nature I am very confrontational. And as a question to you Amnestistas I ask. What profound wrong is the USA committing by merely enforcing its immigration laws that are no different than those of just about any other country with the exception the USA is more lenient and allows for more legal immigrants than anywhere else in the world??? I anxiously await an answer.

FYI...My family consists of 2 legal immigrants of which one is still a mexican citizen

I have to say, I love that term amnestistas. ja ja.

But know you haven't been banned, so long as the focus is on dialogue and not name calling, etc. That said. I don't think what the U.S. is doing is better or worse than what other countries, especially in Europe. There is a focus on the U.S. , because that is where we live and write from.

The problem is that the recent uber enforcement of these laws is being done in an inhumane way that is an injustice to basic human rights. Look at Postville and how that was handled. Basically you had an identity theft law being twisted to mass deport and break apart families.

Erika you didn't really say this did you??
"I say reclaim what was taken from us in the first place"

I have a little news for you Erika the reason people want to come here was never property of any Latin American its an intangible completely seperate of geography. It is a society that was built long before millions of Latin Americans started their exodous north. This society offers an unprecedented opportunity for all including those that disrespect our laws and dishonestly obtain employment. Many Latino countries had an equal amount of resources and had the chance to build an equal or better society but failed miserably. Your little comment about them taking back what was theirs is really quite laughable

La mala thank you for the reply.
I have to say the fault of families being torn apart lies squarely on the shoulders of the parents. It is absurd to think if you break a law that and then hurry up to have children should exempt you from the consequences defies all logic.

A little bragging if I may
My oldest daughter (still a mexican citizen) should graduate next year from a State University in Texas. She has endured many hardships and has come a long way from being carried on her widowed mom's back picking coffee in Chiapas for enough money to buy tortillas beans and eggs to being on the President's List (top 2%) last year. I am very proud of her she calls me Daddy and I call her mi hija even though I have only raised her since she was 6. Our family in Chiapas makes fun of my español with good reason my grandma was the last real spanish speaker but she on the other hand speaks perfect in English and spanish with no accent in either language. She has occaisionally encountered a racist Chump but she is thick skinned enough to brush it off and be bigger than that. She will be a success no matter what career path she takes. I am sorry to ramble but I'm proud of her.
I do not support Amnesty but I am in strong favor of a better system allowing easier entry for migrant workers. As I can not count the times I have been in line at the INS office doing the responsible thing and keeping my family legal.

Your response to me and to Erika reflects the idea that immigration and it's causes happen in a vacuum. Why are the economies of so many Latin American countries in the condition they are in. I'm sure it has nothing to do with neoliberal policies forced on many of them by international banks controlled by the U.S. and other first world nations.

Nothing at all.

Mexico has not allowed foreign ownership of a company for well over 50 years. Pemex should be the Crown Jewel of petroleum companies but it is floundering. I am sorry but I disagree that western banking practices are the main reason for a lot of these countries squandering their opportunities

But foreign ownership is only part of the equation and there are plenty of non-Mexican companies operating in Mexico. Western Banking practices are just one tool of colonialism.

Maegan I would still venture to say a country and its leaders control their own destiny. Mexico has had at least 2 revolutions where there was a "changing of the guard" neither resulted in a significant change in their caste system, The aristocrats still managed to buy their postions of influence from the new gov't there is a mentality there that if you are in a position of any influence you should take advantage of it. This attitude goes all the way down to the shoe shine kid paying for the privilege of working a corner. This attitude has even been imported as part of the culture with in the illegals they pay people for chance at a job interview then they pay the interviewer for the job of plucking chickens, this corruption is even prevalent in day labor sites where the local tough guys shake down people that get a job for a mordida. As long as this kind activity is prevalent in a culture it will always be held back

The grandmother of one of these illegal alien students was able to fly in for his graduation. If the family can afford that, then why couldn't they have afforded to send him to college as a foreign student? (The bars don't apply if the student leaves here before he/she is 18.)