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Latino immigrants in Spain make the language “nicer”

11:59 am By Jennifer Woodard Maderazo · Culture|language|Latin America|Spain

14 Sep 2006

Escudo%20espana.jpgI’m just back from Spain after a couple weeks vacation. In Barcelona, I was surprised to see the growing number of Latino immigrants; it seems that each time I visit the presence of Latinos in the streets is larger than before. Unlike in our own country, Latino immigration is not the scapegoat of choice for the Spanish government. Indeed, it goes unmentioned when the topic of “the immigration problem” is raised. The immigrants Spain is concerned about reach its shores in makeshift rafts, dying of thirst and exhaustion. In an interesting twist, Latinos are considered a more “desireable” immigrant group in Spain.

El Instituto Cervantes, the public entity that represents and foments the use of the Spanish language in the world, announced this week that the influx of Latino immigrants to Spain is not only enriching the language, but making it more “courteous”.

The academic sub director of the Instituto Cervantes, Casto Fernández, said yesterday that the arrival of Latino immigrants to Spain is influencing the language and expressed his confidence that this will help “regain the courtesy of Spanish”.

In comments made to journalists during a language class, Fernández explained that Latin American immigrants speak “very good Spanish because they are not subject to the high pressure of the media like we are here in Spain”. To that end, he said he is often “surprised when they speak to you using ‘usted’, when they are overly courteous or ask permission to do something” because here, according to Fernández “we have lost a many expressions of courtesy that they help us to bring back and put back into circulation”.

Via / Los Tiempos

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16 Responses to Latino immigrants in Spain make the language “nicer”

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Maegan la Mala

September 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pm

Welcome back mujer….we missed you!

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Octavio Isaac Rojas Orduña

September 15th, 2006 at 8:21 am

¡Bienvenida a casa!

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AJ

September 15th, 2006 at 8:38 am

I love reading the news on vivirlatino.com. But I don’t agree with the terminology that was used for this article. Aren’t Spaniards (people from Spain) Latinos? Why in this article about “Latino” immigrants do you make a distinction about from Latinos and Spaniards. Isn’t it one in the same? If a person from Spain immgigrates to the U.S. they would be considered “Latino” right. So why make “Latino” like it’s a separate ethnicity. To me that doesn’t make any sense. Also being Latino means that you speak Spanish…and Spanish originates from Spain. Do Spanish people consider themselves separate from Latinos? Just wanted to point this out. Have a nice day!

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Maegan la Mala

September 15th, 2006 at 9:12 am

Myself, I don’t consider Spanairds as Latinos. To me Latino indicates roots in nations that were colonized by nations on the Iberian Peninsula. Latino, in my opinion, as term respects the pressence of Indigenous and African communities as well as European mestisaje. There is the issue that Spain was an occupying force in Latin America.

Hispanic, on the other hand, for me, includes Spain.

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monica

September 15th, 2006 at 7:51 pm

oh no…not again…

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Lou

September 18th, 2006 at 12:33 pm

in Academic Spanish the correct term should be “Latin American” as people of the Americas that either Speaks Spanish / French or Portuguese for it’s Language variation it’s a derivative from the the Old “Latin” – the term Latino is nothing more than a buzzword commonly typedcasted by Latin Americans of Mixed Race combined of afro-caribeans & indo-hispanics descents.

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barbie

September 20th, 2006 at 12:21 am

Actually, No, Latinos(Latin Americans) and Spaniards are totally different…I happen to be from Spain, and it’s a known fact that Spaniards are technically European white, a fusion of nordic, meditteranian, and mostly North African with some south African, Latinos are considered to have at least 50-75 percent indian genetics or blood, while Spaniards have none. Furthermore there’s a huge different in culture.
No, if a person from Spain came to the US, they would be considered “white”…there have been a few instances where Spaniards try to apply for government assistance or tax breaks under Latino/Hispanic, but were denied because they weere from Spain, or were created by two Spanish parents. As for the Article, they’re not reffering to the actual Spanish language, they’re referring to the dialect…while I don’t understand how Latin American Spanish is more courteous than Catalonian Spanish. As for using “usted”..vs..”tu” and ustedes…vs…vosotros..it all stems from people just being disrespectful, only idiots would use “tu” when talking to some authorative figure like a teacher or a police officer in Spain. Personally, I don’t think it will have any real effect on Spanish society or culture…If I used ustedes to talk to my freinds they would at me crazy, if used “tu” to speak to my grandmother, I would probably get slapped..like I said, it’s just that with the modernization of the spanish culture, things are going to change. With modernization, respect and quality are usually lost, just like any culture. So I think, it’s not about being Latin American, it’s about teaching Spanish children from a very early age to be respectful, and to use the correct language when speaking to an authorative figure, an elder, or a person of importance.

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marc grau

October 27th, 2006 at 6:36 pm

Latinos are the preferred immigrant group in Spain? I’m afriad not. The preferred immigrant group in Spain are Eastern Europeans (when not Gypsies) and Argentines (not generally considered Latino), both groups forming what is called the ”invisibile immigrants” due to the ease they have assimilating . Latinos, in general, come from a very different culture, and this is reflected in family structure, importance of education, birth rate, relgious views, political views, etc… Additionaly, most Spanish parents would not enthusiastically (at first, anyway) welcome a son or daughter marrying a Latino, but would have no problem with a Pole (for instance).

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James

December 24th, 2006 at 3:37 am

Latinos are people from Latin origins period. Ignorant Northern Americans call latinos anyone who speaks Spanish even if they are aboriginal or black. Most Latin American countreis are of Spanish origin and there are smaller pockets of mixed race. The Mexico and Latin American countries being almost 80% mestizo is an American Myth. Thanks to mycrocondrial DNA testing this myth has been unveiled.

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Will

February 19th, 2007 at 3:51 am

That couldn’t be any more wrong. Mexico is about 30% Indian and 60% Indian. “small pockets of mixed race” — that’s just ridiculous. The Mitochondrial DNA (there is no such thing as “mycrocondrial” DNA) is more Indian than the paternal DNA, for obvious reasons, either of which is nowhere near just European. Most Latin Americans countries are predominantly mixed race, and there’s certainly no way most Latin-American moving to Spain are anything but predominantly mixed race.

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Will

February 19th, 2007 at 3:51 am

30% Indian and 60% mestizo, rather.

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SAM

April 6th, 2007 at 1:57 am

look im from spain and i dont consider myself white ive been to spain and most spaniard have brow or black hair with brown eyes so im not white k but most spaniards want to be considered white

and thats stupid to say that spaniards are not latinos HELLO we are were LATIN people just like itaians

and heres the real satistics for MEXICOS PEOPLE
10% FULL BLOOD SPANIARD DECENT
30% FULL BLOOD INDIGENOUS DECENT
60% MIXED BLOOD OF SPANIARD INDIGENOUS ECT.

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cafta

June 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pm

i doubt that latinos or eastern europeans are the preferred immigrants. the preferred immigrants are probably other western europeans.
and of course spanish people are white europeans, and not white,black or indigenous latino/a (of the americas).
just because your a dark european it dosent eliminate you from the “white” race.
and ive heard that romanians (arent they eastern european),ethnic lations and other ethnic peoples experience alot of discrimination in spain.

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Andrea

August 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

Being of 50% Spanish heritage, I am very proud of the good things in that heritage. Spaniards are a mix of ethnicities and cultures. As the crossroads between Europe and Africa, there are many cultural and ethnic influences in Spain and Portugal. The people of the Iberian Peninsula are descended from Iberians, Visigoths, Celts, Phoenicians, Romans, Africans, and Arabic peoples to name a few. The Hebrew culture also had a very strong influence in Spain, and other European cultures have as well. My father is Spanish(Spain) born in the USA. His mom had dark olive skin(she would say she was morena, a descendant of the Moors)and his father was fair skinned with black hair. My grandfather was also born in the USA of Spanish immigrant parents, but my grandmother was born in central Spain and came here in the 1920′s after marrying my grandfather. My grandfather could speak fluent English and Spanish with no trace of an accent. So can I and my dad. My grandmother did her best to speak English with her thick accent and became a proud US citizen. Before my grandparents met in 1924, my very white yet dark haired Spanish grandfather was discriminated against by his white, non-hispanic girlfriend’s family and it broke up that relationship. Then he met my grandmother while visiting cousins in Spain.

My mother is US-born of European descent, and because she has dark hair, fair skin, and blue eyes, we always joke that she is probably descended from the Black Irish who came about after the Spanish Armada was shipwrecked off the Irish coast and many Spaniards sought refuge on Irish shores. My mom even told me she was part Sioux Indian when I was a kid because she was born in South Dakota. I was so bummed when I found out she was only kidding.

Although I am white, I can get a nice tan when I am in the sun, but I am definitely not olive skinned like my dad or my grandmother. I consider myself different from other whites because of my Spanish background and I was treated that way by snobby brats growing up. I have had no problems getting along with South American, Central American, Dominican or Cuban Hispanics over the years, and I even have Puerto Rican and Mexican friends. However, I have encountered “reverse discrimination” in recent years particularly from Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Dominican Hispanics when I have entered into jobs working with Hispanics. Also I have noticed some Filipinos seeming to have a problem with my being of Spanish heritage, but I have Filipino friends who have no problem with it.

I have also encountered what I consider to be attitudes of “reverse discrimination” from some African Americans. I have even been deemed a racist by some coworkers for thinking that I have encountered what I consider undeserved “reverse discrimination” from African American and non-white Hispanics in the workplace. Little do those folks know about the discrimination I have endured over the years from non-Hispanic whites because of my last name being Spanish. Little do they know how I have witnessed my own grandmother being ignored in a store by non-Hispanic whites for having a thick accent when she spoke English. Little do they know that my own physician is from Jamaica and is of mixed race (African & white), and a person that I consider a dear friend of mine is African American. In fact, little do these accusers know that I take tremendous offense when I am accused of being racist. However, I believe that those people who drew these very wrong conclusions about me have been influenced by certain false rumors spread by “reverse racists” themselves. As those who know me well, I cannot stand prejudice in any form.

Recently I met an olive-skinned woman from Spain, who considers herself to be white, and who does not like Latin Americans anymore because of a bad experience she had with one male coworker in Spain. As she puts it, the Latinos are immigrating to Spain and ruining ‘her’ country. Plus she says that the Latinos seem to know how to work the socialist welfare system in Spain to their advantage. She also says that no respectable Spaniard would do what she has seen her Peruvian coworker do to get ahead by claiming all sorts of public assistance. Consequently, she now lives in the USA and will never classify herself as Hispanic because she says she is not Hispanic but white and works for a living. To me that is a racist mentality, however, I can understand that she is frustrated with the welfare system in Spain which gave her tax money to a coworker of hers who is now wealthier than her because of the lack of checks and balances in that welfare system. Unfortunately she is putting her frustrations and resentments onto a whole group of individuals.

Also another former coworker from Madrid, Spain once told me that he was being discrimated against at the corporation where we used to work because the management was all Hispanic from Latin America and they did not like him because he was from Spain. I believe him because I felt I too was experiencing it firsthand myself, but I do not believe that it was about skin color. I believe it was a Latin America versus Spain attitude. I have even met folks from the Philippines with a similar attitude.

And my recent former boss who is a non-Hispanic white woman, actually told me “Everyone knows that Spaniards think they are better than Latins” to which I took great offense and which I emphatically denied as a false generalization. Unfortunately, the bad Spaniards from the days of the conquistadors have left this impression in the minds of many, as have the white slaveowners of old whose white descendants and non-descendants are still being blamed by many for all the current social injustices.

I also resent false generalizations like the one made by my former boss because I know that my own dear dark skinned Spanish grandmother would have completely flipped out to hear that kind of statement. I know firsthand from my father’s cousin, her nephew, who came from Spain to our city in the Deep South in the late 1960′s, that she was completely opposed to the blatant racism of the day. He told me that when he arrived at the local bus terminal he witnessed terrible discrimination toward blacks. And when he asked my grandmother about this overt discrimination, she began to weep and tell him, “Oh my dear nephew, you do not know how badly the black folks are treated in this country. It is horrible.”

Indeed grandma, is is horrible when one race or ethnic group discriminates against another. When is it going to end?

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josé

September 1st, 2007 at 12:17 am

FOR GODS SAKE FOLKS..lets get it together, I agree with above poster on may things.

A am spanish myself..the person that wrote this comment needs to educate themselves a bit more …and they wrote…

Myself, I don’t consider Spanairds as Latinos. To me Latino indicates roots in nations that were colonized by nations on the Iberian Peninsula. Latino, in my opinion, as term respects the pressence of Indigenous and African communities as well as European mestisaje. There is the issue that Spain was an occupying force in Latin America.

Hispanic, on the other hand, for me, includes Spain.

First of all hermanita….do your hisotry. The IBERIAN PENINSULA constitutes…2 countries…..SPAIN AND PORTUGAL!!!

SECONDLY…..INDIANS (indiginous peoples) are not LATIN AT ALL BUT OF ASIAN DESCENT(check your history)

AFRICAN PEOPLE especially NORTH AFRICAN were instrumental in the culture of SPAIN.

LATINS AND LATINOS (spanish term for LATIN) really goes to the ITALIANS( Romans..that started the culture) , SPANISH..however they are caucasian as are Grteeks, Italians, Arabs, North Africans and some Indians(from India)..check your websters to find out the definition of caucasian…adios

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Andres

December 20th, 2008 at 1:46 am

lATINOS IN SPANSIH OR ANY ROMANCE LANGUAGE IS APPLY TO ALL THE PERSONS THAT SPEAK A LATIN LANGUAGE OR ROMANCE LANGUAGE AND CULTURE IS DERIVATED FROM ANY LATIN CULTURES IN EUROPE , SO LATIN AMERICA COUNTRIES ARE NEO-LATIN CULTURES
THERE IS AN ASSOCIATION THAT IS CALLED LATIN UNION AND IS UNION THAT UNIFY ALL THE LATIN CULTURES IN THE WORLD IN THE UNITED STATES AND MANY LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES THE WORLD LATINO IS USED SO INCORRECLY YOU SHOULD GO AND ASK A MEMBER OF LATIN UNION OR MEMBER OF THE ARCO LATINO IN EUROPE WHAT IS A LATINO, OR EVEN A PERSON FROM LA REAL ACADEMIA DE LA LENGUA ESPANOLA WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING OF LATINO
Latino is not a race,is linguistic term apply to all the perons that come from a country where a Latin deirivated language is spoken, IM A WHITE MEXICAN MY ANSESTOR CAME FROM SAPIN, SO IM VERY INTERESTED IN LATIN CULTURE,WHEN I SAY LATIN CULTURE IM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT LATIN AMERICA BUT LATIN EUROPE, I SPEAK SPANISH AND ITALIAN AND I SEE HOW WRONG THE PEOPLE USE THE TERM LATINO, IN SPANISH IS INCORRECTLY TO SAY lATINOS IN SPAIN YOU WOULD BE TALKING OF THE ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE IN SPAIN AND ALSO THE RUMANIANS AND FRENCH, ITALIANS AND LATIN AMERICANS THAT EMIGRATED THERE, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LATIN AMERICANS THE CORRECT WAY WOULD BE LATINAMERICANS OR SUDAMERICANS.

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