5:12 pm By Jennifer Woodard Maderazo · California|Immigration|World
17 Mar 2006
What image comes to your mind when you think of the term “illegal immigrants”? Is it someone with ruddy cheeks, red hair and freckles? Probably not. But there are an estimated 50,000 “illegal” Irish (sometimes referred to as the “Mexicans of Europe”) immigrants living in the U.S., and some are calling for immigration reform:
“They can’t go home if they have a baby, even if they’re married to another Irish person or married to an American,” O’Malley Daly said. “Until they get papers, they can’t leave America. It’s a risk. It would be fantastic if they got their visas to be honest. It really would.”“Everybody wants security, wants border security, wants to know this country is safe,” said Irish Immigration Pastoral Center Director Celine Kennelly. “But there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it.”
It’s pretty fair to say that the Irish immigration reality is very different from that of Mexico and Central America. So I wonder if these Irishman believe in reforming immigration laws for the benefit of all immigrants, or just for Europeans. Apparently, at least “thousands” of them believe in plurality:
In Washington, thousands of Irish recently demonstrated against the Border Protection and Illegal Immigration Control Act passed by the House of Representatives. It would, among other things, call for deporting the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.
Right-wingers think all undocumented immigrants should be treated the same:
“What we’re saying is the law needs to be applied,” said Rick Oltman of the Federation for Immigration Reform. “The law needs to be followed and that means the law for everyone, not just the illegal alien Mexicans but people who are here illegally from Europe and from around the world.”
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12 Responses to Irish immigrants for reform: Let us stay
Monica
March 17th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
If only Anthony Quinn lived to see this day
Jennifer Woodard Maderazo
March 17th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
If Anthony Quinn is an Irish Mexican, and the Irish are the Mexicans of Europe, that makes him more Mexican than the average Mexican.
President Fox is also an Irish Mexican. Maybe that’s why he’s also pushing for immigration reform — gotta support his peeps on both sides
Monica
March 17th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
FOR REALS!!! They’re like more Mexican than your average bear.
TLB
March 17th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
Since your blogger failed to do this, let me help out.
At the CBS link you can see t-shirts belonging to a group funded by the Irish government.
I understand that some people think it’s OK that a foreign government is using incompetent and/or corrupt news sources to spread propaganda inside our country, but others might object to that.
Who cares for names! Care for People!
March 18th, 2006 at 9:53 pm
You guys have no idea what does it mean to be illegal immigrant: Irish, Mexican, from Europe or another part of the world. So, first put yourself on our place and then try to answer that simple question: why a person who speaks English, knows American history may better than most Americans do, believing in democratic values, ready to pay whatever is the fine and already paying the taxes shouldn’t be given a chance to become American citizen. That country was build by immigrants, nobody was asking why you came here and where from, work was the only law and God, so why the rules has changed? I’m hoping that the common sense will take over and Congress bring us real freedom.
Sincerely yours, illegal immigrant.
Jennifer Woodard Maderazo
March 18th, 2006 at 11:04 pm
TLB,
While I don’t agree with the things you say on your blog, I do respect the fact that when you comment here you do so in a polite way, so thanks.
“Illegal”,
It seems that you misunderstood the sentiment of this post. Saying that the Mexican immigration experience and the Irish immigration experience are different is a fact, but that does not mean that I don’t believe that any immigrant, Irish or otherwise, should not have the right to live in this country.
If you go back and read the post again, you’ll notice that I say that the Irish protesters in Washington believe in plurality, that is, a fair chance for immigration for all people. How unfortunate that you see this post as an attack, when it is, in fact, simply presenting your plight for the rest of the world to see.
And I think you shouldn’t be so quick to say that we do not have experience with illegal immigration, or with European immigrants or even Irish people in your same situation. How do you know that?
I’m sure you only came across this posting because of the subject matter, but if you were to read all of the articles posted under the category “immigration”, you’d see that our opinions echo your own. So my advice: don’t be so quick to judge.
TLB
March 20th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Frankly, I’m a little unclear on your comment. I was only refering to a) the fact that you linked to that report and b) the fact that – unfortunately like most bloggers – you didn’t look behind the story. If you looked behind the story you’d see that media source spreading a foreign government’s propaganda.
I was going to comment on your later post on Jeb Bush, but those comments would have been similar to the above: you aren’t looking at what things actually mean and why people actually do them.
In the case of Jeb, I can think of three quite un-American reasons why he’s doing what he’s doing, none of which have to do with him running for office.
Jennifer Woodard Maderazo
March 21st, 2006 at 12:38 am
There was no hidden meaning in my comment, all I meant was what I said: that while your views obviously differ greatly from mine, I applaud the fact that you have been well-mannered and respectful in your comments (you’d commented before on a billboard campaign), unlike so many of your conservative brethren. Can’t one extend the olive branch without raising suspicions? I guess that’s just my liberal naivete.
As for the Jeb post, you’re right, there wasn’t much looking beyond the media’s words into what is actually motivating him. The truth is, like a lot of bloggers, I go deeper into things that I truly care about (Jeb’s not one of them) and try (unlike other bloggers) to talk at length only when a) I know what I’m talking about or b) I have something interesting to contribute, whether I know what I’m talking about or not. In the case of Jeb, I just let the source’s words speak.
Anyway, thanks for visiting and sharing your opinion.
Bert
March 21st, 2006 at 7:38 pm
I think that immigration enforcement should be color-blind. I don’t care if you’re from Latvia, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, China, or elsewhere, if you want to live and work in America, there’s a process. Circumnavigating it or sliding under the radar helps defeat it,
and is a poor statement on the part of a person wishing to become an American citizen as their initial act in the country, becoming a law-breaker.
America’s got laws. ALL people should be strongly encouraged to follow them VOLUNTARILY, as it will help to prevent the need for MORE law enforcement, those are the people that are duly empowered by government to enFORCE the laws. The border issue is becoming an enforcement issue because of long-term failings to voluntarily follow the laws that are already on the books, demographically though our biggest offender in the illegal immigration department IS mexico. In my view, the country of Mexico should be assessed a 100k/head repatriation fee for each and every one of their ‘citizens’ that america has to deliver to their shores. Charging them actual money will make them sit up and take notice and maybe move to mend their ways instead of aiding and abetting their citizens as they currently do and have in years past. Likewise, other countries should help or pay in full the costs of having to get their people back FROM america instead of it all happening on the american taxpayers’ dime, which is arguably already stretched pretty thin.
Thank you.
Bert
March 21st, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Furthermore, ‘good fences make good neighbors’. This is an expression from the Old West, from REAL cowboys and ranchers, who became old hands on ‘border’ disputes involving mainly grazing land and water rights. I think a real honest-to-gosh fence with Mexico is a great answer, and will help Mexico greatly on their path to reform. This would be part of ‘teaching a man to fish’ instead of just giving him 20 books of food stamps. I think Mexico’s a great country, but until they get off their butts and take the topic of reform seriously, then their interactions with america and americans will continue to engender enmity and dissent within the american population. There’s no reason Mexico can’t have a thriving economy and a great society, other than a general lack of commitment on the part of their people and their government to make it happen, and it’s not like america hasn’t thrown billions after billions of dollars at the problem. But, the core problem is, Mexico’s become a client state, a parasite if you will, off the american economy, costing billions more than they contribute, at the end of the day, helping to fill american jails and prisons with illiterates and hardened criminals. If that’s Mexico’s concept on a sound border and domestic policy, then they get an ‘f’, and the border enforcement strategy now being proposed is an act of self-defense for southern americn states who have shouldered the burden of Mexico’s inaction and incompetence for too long.
lourdes
March 26th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
There are thousands of European illegal immigrants who cross the Canadian and US border also, also it is easier for the Philipine people to get to Mexico and then cross the Mexican border. Also we have many immigrants from China and other parts of the world that they find Mexico and easier target to cross to the U s a many of them buy fake Mexican birth certificate, learn the language and then cross the border as Mexicans. But no matter where you are from we all nedd to help each other and help our immigrant friends. Yes, this country was founded by immigrants. Let’s stop the hate,racism and lets help one another.
royhc
April 6th, 2006 at 11:55 pm
Me vale!,,,,si estos gringos y irlandes no entienden que no son nuestros superiores, pues me la pelan! Hay ciudades del suroeste (cerrotes!)que celebran su tricentenial, mucho antes que llegaran sus famosos pinches “pilgrims puta madre”!
Hasta el colmo!